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Posted 4 Years, 9 Months ago Link #1
I'm in the process of trying to get my photography business online. I am a complete novice at working with setting up websites. I can be creative if I have templates to work with. I have been doing some research on sites such as photoreflect.com, ifp3.com, smugmug.com, etc., because these seem to offer the most of what would be needed to get started. However, the deeper I get into researching them, the more difficult they seem. So, I started researching doing my own website with hosting such as iPowerWeb, but I'm finding most reviews show nothing but problems with them. That seems to be what I'm finding the most of ... "nothing but problems" ... types of reviews.

Does anyone out there have any suggestions as to the fastest, easiest way to get a site up? I will either be printing myself or taking orders to a local lab for printing. I would like to set up galleries (events locked and open; general photo, etc.). PayPal would probably work fine for payment, unless someone else has a better suggestion.

I can use ALL the help I can get by way of suggestions.
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Posted 4 Years, 9 Months ago Link #2
First of all, don't laugh...

I understand exactly what you are going through, as I too have gotten a photography business set up through a web site. Personally, I know absolutely nothing about code and all that html junk. However, I have found <email> offers hosting as well as a very simple web design application (Easy Designer). This is a drag and drop affair where you have complete control over how your pages look. You don't have to worry about things like spacing in code, because you move the item blocks with the mouse directly on the page. If you want to get frisky with code, then you can insert your own html code.

The only downfall, for me at least, is that you don't have your own domain name, ie: myphotosite.com. Your page address will start with hometown.aol.com. Of course you don't have to be a paying member to have this as you once did. Just sign up for a free aol account, and you are home free.

If you would like to see an example of what can be done with easy designer and the AOL hosting, just look at my website.... http://hometown.aol.com/NCPhotoTrekker
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Posted 4 Years, 9 Months ago Link #3
When I registered my domain name I got a free page with the templates for my own content.. Just upload to it.. I then linked my smugmug account (portfolio) where I keep most of my images to the main (I call it my intro) page.. Smugmug help will give you the codes you need to set up a pretty nice place for as many galleries you want. They also provide some nice templates. Locked, unlocked, password protected, watermarked. The list goes on and on for a reasonable annual fee.. They will even sell your prints for you.. Best wishes setting yourself up!
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Posted 4 Years, 9 Months ago Link #4
I am intrigued by the combination of both of your suggestions. Greg, is there a limit to the size of the storage, i.e., your galleries? I noticed you didn't have a large number of photos there. In my situation, I will be uploading events such as weddings, veterans events, etc., so there will be MANY photos ... as in possibly 100s per event. That's why the combination interests me. Tonight I purchased an Epson Stylus Photo R1800. I want to try to keep as much control as I can on my end. Mostly, because I don't have the skills yet to do all the color profiling, etc., that will be needed to send out to a lab for printing. Until I get a little more experience (mostly more education on what I'm doing), I'm concerned that I'll edit it on my computer and it will look PERFECT. But, when the lab gets it, the colors will be all wrong so they'll "fix" them. But the "fix" will not be what I had intended. Ultimately, I end up with a product going to my client that was not what I wanted, and everyone is unhappy. Not to mention the waste of time for the lab, me and my client. Initially, it may be more time for me doing it myself, but at least I'll see what my client is getting BEFORE they get it without all the back-and-forth and refund stuff. I don't want to start my business out on a sour note like that. I guess I'm a little OC that way!

I've heard some good things about SmugMug. I'm going to look at your site, too, Swoozie. My concern there goes back to the lack of experience in getting pics in the proper format for uploading, and getting all the links working correctly for ordering. I'm not sure about their storage limits for galleries, either, so I'll have to check into that.

Another option I may have that I'm checking into is using my software PSE 5.0. You can create galleries for the web and publish them to a server. I'm not quite sure how that works yet.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep you posted on how it all goes. Got to get to bed (after midnight here). I promised myself I would quit staying up til 3am every night. I get so sucked into the excitement of getting all this going and what I'm learning that it's so hard to shut it down. Goodnight all, and thanks again!
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Posted 4 Years, 9 Months ago Link #5
Ok, Let's try this again. This is just the question part of my lost post. And I am sure I will remember more later.

Carolyn,
First let me ask you a few question that you have to ask yourself.

What is the main reason for your web page?
getting New customers? a way for old customers to see/order photos? to show your work to the world?

What kind of web cite do you want? HTML or Flash? There are pro's and con's on both.

I know you said you don't know html. Do you want to build yourself or have someone do it for you?

How big do you want your web cite to be?

How often do you want to update pages?

How much money do you want to spend? per year/month

What kinds of photography do you do?

Do you want to password images so only customers can see them?

I know this one all ready but have to ask again...
Do you want to print yourself or have a lab do it?
Pro's and Con's both ways.

Do you want to except visa/MC online? Some people will not use paypal. (I don't know why but it's true)

On the web cites that you listed (photoreflect.com, ifp3.com, smugmug.com, etc)what is it that you don't like? the template look? to be able to add on to it?

I can't remember the rest off the top of my head. The other post had links and lists of pros and cons on all the questions so if you would like that I will have to get back to you, I have to run and get some work done.




by the way NCPhotoTrekker This is not a problem If you want I can show you how to get around this. It would cost you about $10-$20 per year.
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Posted 4 Years, 9 Months ago Link #6
For most of your concern with prnting your photos you can get started by calibrating..

Your camera ought to show you the color space it is in.. Most cameras are in Adobe RGBs by default.. You want to make sure your monitor is set with Adobe RGBs too.. Then calibrate your monitor.. Most labs print with the Adobe RBGs.. You do have the option to say NO to collor correcting at the lab.. If all is the same there shouldn't be a problem with the final product except maybe density..(lightness/darkness) Here is a link to some more in depth description and links to online tools for calibrating..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_calibration

Note. Your camera manual should tell you what your cameras color space is . Monitor properties will give you the color space your monitor is set for.. The online tools will help you calibrate your monitor and your favorite printing lab will have that info too. A lot of info to absorb but it is the basis for pro looking shots.. Good luck Carolyn.. Oh, I pay approx. $125 annually for the set up I have.. It's worth it..
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Posted 4 Years, 9 Months ago Link #7
Carolyn, there is a limit in size that you can do. I believe it is 2MB per screen name. The way I am functioning, I have just now used up about 33% of my space with around 400 photos (with large and thumbnail versions). However, for what you are saying you are wanting, I don't believe my solution will be what you are wanting. I'm actually thinking that I have too many displayed in the gallery, might have to cut back in the future.
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Posted 3 Years, 8 Months ago Link #8
edited by OP to meet advertising guidelines. Sorry chaps

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Posted 3 Years, 8 Months ago Link #9
Hi Caroline,

I'm using PhotoReflect for my storefront. I have a crude HTML website with my own domain, all set up through Yahoo. I used Yahoo's SiteBuilder app to assemble and maintain the webpage. The site links to my PhotoReflect account.

http://www.orcabayimages.com

PhotoReflect had a bit of a learning curve starting out, but once set up it's pretty easy to maintain. Getting hooked up with Labricity-participating photo labs was pretty easy. Once set up, it's also extremely flexible.

I winced at the thought of PhotoReflect's bite of the sale, on top of the Labricity photolab charging me for prints and shipping, but when you think about it, getting someone to handle the orders, the billing, the printing, the packaging and the mailing, and summarizing the month's transactions for you and cutting you a biweekly check, you'd pay a lot more to hire helpers to do those things for you. Or you'd spend so much time with the administrative and production tasks that you'd never get to use your camera.

Processing an order for a single 4"x6" print would require more time and labor than the print would likely pay for.

This PhotoReflect/Labricity arrangement still allows me to handle certain print jobs myself, if I so choose. I reserve the BIG prints for my own processing, since I can get the big prints done less expensively locally. Better profit margin and more efficient use of my time and labor.

If, on the other hand, you're specializing in portrait work, you're better off handling all jobs yourself.

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Posted 3 Years, 8 Months ago Link #10
Swoozie said:
Your camera ought to show you the color space it is in.. Most cameras are in Adobe RGBs by default.. You want to make sure your monitor is set with Adobe RGBs too.. Then calibrate your monitor.. Most labs print with the Adobe RBGs..


Are you sure? Scott Kelby has said in his books and on the NAPP website that Adobe RGB is the preferred profile only if you're printing your own prints, but that most commercial labs still rely on the sRGB profile, so that's the preferred setting for most users. According to Scott.

When I attended a NAPP-sponsored day-long seminar introducing PhotoShop CS3, they set aside some time to show everybody how to back off of CS3's new default of Adobe RGB. One of the first PhotoShop actions I ever programmed was to batch-convert whole folders of photos I'd processed while PS was defaulted to Adobe RGB.

I've had trouble in the past when using Adobe RGB on lab-processed prints because the Adobe RGB profile differs from sRGB in the green part of the spectrum.

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Posted 3 Years, 8 Months ago Link #11
I always use Adobe RGB and covert to sRGB for the net.

This is from an article on the net.

Adobe RGB 1998 and sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (sRG are two of the most common working spaces used in digital photography. This section aims to clear up some of the confusion associated with sRGB and Adobe RGB 1998, and to provide guidance on when to use each working space.
BACKGROUND

sRGB is a RGB color space proposed by HP and Microsoft because it approximates the color gamut of the most common computer display devices. Since sRGB serves as a "best guess" for how another person's monitor produces color, it has become the standard color space for displaying images on the internet. sRGB's color gamut encompasses just 35% of the visible colors specified by CIE (see section on color spaces). Although sRGB results in one of the narrowest gamuts of any working space, sRGB's gamut is still considered broad enough for most color applications.

Adobe RGB 1998 was designed (by Adobe Systems, Inc.) to encompass most of the colors achievable on CMYK printers, but by using only RGB primary colors on a device such as your computer display. The Adobe RGB 1998 working space encompasses roughly 50% of the visible colors specified by CIE-- improving upon sRGB's gamut primarily in cyan-greens.
GAMUT COMPARISON

The following color gamut comparison aims to give you a better qualitative understanding of where the gamut of Adobe RGB 1998 extends beyond sRGB for shadow (~25%), midtone (~50%), and highlight colors (~75%).
sRGB IEC61966-2.1 Adobe RGB 1998

25% Luminance 50% Luminance 75% Luminance

Comparison uses CIE L*a*b* reference space; colors are only qualitative to aid in visualization.

Note how Adobe RGB 1998 extends into richer cyans and greens than does sRGB-- for all tonal levels. The 50% luminance diagram is often used to compare these two working spaces, however the shadow and highlight diagrams also deserve attention. Adobe RGB 1998 extends its advantage in the cyan-greens for the highlights, but now has advantages with intense magentas, oranges, and yellows-- colors which can add to the drama of a bright sunset. Adobe RGB 1998 does not extend as far beyond sRGB in the shadows, however it still shows advantages in the dark greens (often encountered with dark foliage).
IN PRINT

All of these extra colors in Adobe RGB 1998 are great to have for viewing on a computer monitor, but can we actually reproduce them in a print? It would be a shame to edit using these extra colors, only to later retract their intensity due to printer limitations. The following diagrams compare sRGB and Adobe RGB 1998 with two common printers: a Fuji Frontier (390) and a high-end inkjet printer with 8 inks (Canon iP9900 on Photo Paper Pro). A Fuji Frontier printer is what large companies such as Walmart use for making their prints.
sRGB IEC61966-2.1 Adobe RGB 1998

25% Luminance 50% Luminance 75% Luminance
Select Printer Type: Fuji Frontier High-End Inkjet

Comparison uses CIE L*a*b* reference space; colors are only qualitative to aid in visualization.

We see a big difference in how each printer uses the additional colors provided by Adobe RGB 1998: The Fuji Frontier only uses a small patch of yellow in the highlights, whereas the high-end inkjet printer exceeds sRGB for colors in shadows, midtones, and highlights. The high-end inkjet even exceeds the gamut of Adobe RGB 1998 for cyan-green midtones and yellow highlights.

The printer should also be considered when choosing a color space, as this can have a big influence on whether the extra colors are utilized. Most mid-range printer companies provide a downloadable color profile for their printer. This color profile can help you achieve similar conclusions to those visible in the above analysis.
INFLUENCE ON BIT DEPTH DISTRIBUTION

Since the Adobe RGB 1998 working space clearly provides more colors to work with, why not just use it in every situation? Another factor to consider is how each working space influences the distribution of your image's bit depth. Color spaces with larger gamuts "stretch" the bits over a broader region of colors, whereas smaller gamuts concentrate these bits within a narrow region. Consider the following green "color spaces" on a line:
Large Gamut

Small Gamut

If our image contained only shades of green in the small gamut color space, then we would be wasting bits by allocating them to encode colors outside the small gamut:
For a limited bit depth which encodes all colors within the large gamut:
Large Gamut

Small Gamut
Wasted Bits
If all bits were concentrated within the smaller gamut:

A similar concentration of bit depth occurs with sRGB versus Adobe RGB 1998, except in three dimensions, and not quite as dramatic as demonstrated above. Adobe RGB 1998 occupies roughly 40% more volume than sRGB, so you are only utilizing 70% of your bit depth if the colors in Adobe RGB 1998 are unnecessary (for evenly spaced bits). On the other hand, you may have plenty of "spare" bits if you are using a 16-bit image, and so any reduction due to your choice of working space might be negligible.
SUMMARY

My advice is to know which colors your image uses, and whether these can benefit from the additional colors afforded by Adobe RGB 1998. Ask yourself: do you really need the richer cyan-green midtones, orange-magenta highlights, or green shadows? Will these colors also be visible in the final print? Will these differences even be noticeable? If you've answered "no" to any of these questions, then you would be better served using sRGB. sRGB will make the most of your bit depth because it allocates more bits to encoding the colors present in your image. In addition, sRGB can simplify your workflow since this color space is also used for displaying images on the internet.

What if you desire a speedy workflow, and do not wish to decide on your working space using a case-by-case method? My advice is to use Adobe RGB 1998 if you normally work with 16-bit images, and sRGB if you normally work with 8-bit images. Even if you may not always use the extra colors, you never want to eliminate them as a possibility for those images which require them.
OTHER NOTES

It is apparent that Adobe RGB 1998 has a larger gamut than sRGB, but by how much? Adobe RGB is often depicted has having a superior gamut in greens, however this can be misleading and results mainly from the use of the CIE xyz reference space. Consider the following comparison:
sRGB IEC61966-2.1 Adobe RGB 1998

CIE xy
Exaggerates difference in greens CIE u'v'
Closer to the eye's perceived difference

When the two are compared using the CIE u'v' reference space, the advantage in greens becomes less apparent. In addition, the diagram on the right now shows Adobe RGB 1998 having similar advantages in both the cyans and greens-- better representing the relative advantage we might perceive with our eyes. Care should be taken to also consider the influence of a reference space when drawing conclusions from any color space comparison diagram.
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Posted 1 Year, 7 Months ago Link #12
Great information. Thanks for the time you spent adding the information.
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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago Link #13
Try ecosee.com at http://www.ecosee.com
Its built on wordpress and easy to use.
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Posted 1 Year ago Link #14
I have a web presence on ifp3 (www.leftcoastimages.com) that I like but it does cost me $30 a month. They have lots of templates to use and unlimited storage...I must have 30,000 plus images on the site. There is also a cart powered by PayPal which has been fine.
As far as printing product, I use www.mpix.com and use can have them print your work WITHOUT color correcting, something I do on EVERY print. I have already done the correcting so, as you say, if they correct you get a not so pleasent product.
I am looking for a less expensive web hosting platform at this time but finding one that gives me what I already have at ipf3 is hard to do.
Good Luck,

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Posted 4 Months, 2 Weeks ago Link #15
I have two accounts with Photoshelter, by far the best place to archive and sell your images. Their support is great, webinars, video, forums, and blog. I have never have a bad experience with the Photoshelter hosting services.

I had my site up within an hour. However, there is a lot of preliminary work that is needed before you upload you images to any hosting site.

The DAM book is a good place to start. It's all about managing your digital assets... Photos.

Hope this helps,

Paul
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